This is where Dave writes and updates Scripting News.

Home

Readme

Awards

My Camera

Scripting.Com

RSS

RSS History

OPML

XML-RPC

SOAP

Miguel de Icaza explains

Mon, Jul 9, 2001; by Dave Winer.

From Miguel de Icaza re the piece with the same name. ;->

I just read your piece on scripting.com today (still getting familiarized with the terminology and the whole network), it is pretty funny that you called the article with my name ;-)

My interest in .NET comes from the attempts that we have made before in the GNOME project to achieve some of the things .NET does:

* APIs that are exposed to multiple languages.

* Cross-language integration.

* Contract/interface based programming.

And on top of things, I always loved various things about Java. I just did not love the Java combo that you were supposed to give or take.

APIs exposed to many languages we tried by having a common object base (GtkObject) and then following an API contract and a format that would allow others to wrap the APIs easily for their programming language. We even have a Scheme-based definition of the API that is used to generate wrappers on the fly. This solution is suboptimal for many reasons.

The Cross-language integration we have been doing with CORBA, sort of like COM, but with an imposed marshalling penalty. It works pretty well for non inProc components. But for inProc components the story is pretty bad: since there was no CORBA ABI that we could use, the result is so horrible, that I have no words to describe it.

On top of this problem, we have a proliferation of libraries. Most of them follow our coding conventions pretty accurately. Every once in a while they either wont or we would adopt a library written by someone else. This had lead to a mix of libraries that although powerful in result implement multiple programming models, sometimes different allocation and ownership policies and after a while you are dealing with 5 different kind of "ref/unref" behaviours (CORBA local references, CORBA object references on Unkonwn objects, reference count on object wrappers) and this was turning into a gigantic mess.

We have of course been trying to fix all these issues, and things are looking better (the GNOME 2.x platform does solve many of these issues, but still).

.NET seemed to me like an upgrade for Win32 developers: they had the same problems we had when dealing with APIs that have been designed over many years, a great deal of inconsistency. So I want to have some of this new "fresh air" available for building my own applications.

Best wishes,
Miguel

Create your own Manila site in minutes. Everyone's doing it!

© Copyright 1997-2013 UserLand Software.
Email: dave@userland.com.